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Birthplace of democracy?

posted by [personal profile] pauamma at 04:56am on 05/12/2021 under
Pope Francis, starting an official visit to Greece, called it the birthplace of democracy. I know Athens is often said to be that, but is it really? Are there any records of an earlier participative or representative democracy elsewhere? (Wikipedia says "mayyyybe", but I don't know to what extent if any that's owing to Wikipedia editors and historians both being emotionally invested in "Athens was first".)
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posted by [personal profile] melannen at 07:12pm on 05/12/2021
It is definitely the birthplace of the *term* democracy! And it's probably the first place where there are written records of a state government that considered itself a government by the people. It was also more or less the start of the specific tradition of government that resulted in modern Western democratic institutions, via Rome and then isolated city-state Republics and ideologies that persisted at least pro forma right up until the Enlightenment period.

There were certainly some elements of democracy in earlier literate societies (such as aristocratic assemblies that chose their own leaders), and there were definitely small-scale societies that governed by consensus (probably always have been) but a state that imagined itself as governed by its people *and* wrote it down as far as I know probably did originate with Greece.
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posted by [personal profile] pauamma at 07:14am on 06/12/2021
*nod* Thanks.
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